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the engineer and the architect got what training he received at all in a praotioal way by contact with practical men, doing things as well as he could, learning as well as he could, all that he knew about his profession in the actual practice of an office or a shop. There are still men who believe that these great engineering schools represent a gigantic attempt to hoodwink the public; that they really have nothing to offer of value to young men who wish to pursue their courses. If so, it certainly is a striking commentary upon the intelligence of modern nations, for the young people are crowding into these schools in all countries in ever larger numbers * They evidently think they are getting something. We are succeeding in hoodwink- ing them to a remarkable degree, if, as a matter of fact, they get nothing. Now all this has come about at the same time that there is scarcely a single fundamental question concerning the proper course for an engineer to pursue, concerning the proper method of study, concerning the proper organization and integration of the various elements of the curriculum which can be said to be solved. If you ask one engineering professor to sketoh out for you the ideal engineering course, he will, if he has ever thought on the matter at all, proceed to give you one suggestion. If you ask another engineering professor, he will give you another suggestion, and sometimes these two suggestions are so different from
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